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	<description>-Fighting for Retirees&#039; Annual Benefit Increase</description>
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		<title>By: DFD</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Feb 2011 19:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you SAVE PERA COLA for this answer.  
 
PERA and Colorado did not ask for our cooperation in this fiscal crisis they chose to violate a contract.  The meetings held throughout the state by PERA preceding SB 10-001 did not seriously address any remedy save the PERA favored 2-2-2 response.  2-2-2  has been shown to impose a disproportionate burden upon annuitant.  
 
Perhaps had the annuitants been contacted as a group and requested to forgo our annual increase, or accept a diminished annual increase, for a defined, finite, period of time the outcome(s) may have been different.  Annuitants are not ignorant of, nor insensitive to, the financial issues facing PERA, we simply do not desire to forever lose benefits we earned during our long service to the citizens of Colorado.  
 
There were no secrets meetings nor conspiracies present when our elected representatives publicly debated and the passed into law the annual increase.  The fact that the current economic situation makes the annual increase appear as largess is a temporary and short lived phenomena.  The predicted inflation that is a current topic of discussion will find the 3.5% annual increase wanting in meeting the annuitant’s needs.  I would also note that when our non-PERA friends and associates were experiencing annual growth far in excess of 3.5% there was no movement to share the prosperity with us.
 
As pointed out in other responses present in the site, the 2008 economic downturn was not a major event in the stability of PERA.  PERA was in long decline when that crisis occurred.  The decline of PERA was caused by mismanagement in providing early retirements, matching 401K contributions, fire sale rates for purchased service credit and the failure of Colorado to fully fund their contribution.  Colorado and the legislature  created their own exigencies and now want to violate Constitutional contract law to correct their mistakes.
Our attorneys seem to be saying that we do not dispute that at some point the state may cancel or invalidate the annual increase as a fiscal necessity/emergency.  Our attorneys contend that this worst case, albeit unconstitutional, response/scenario cannot be the initial answer to this or any crisis.
 
One aspect of the scope of options available to PERA and Colorado has now been placed into public view in the form of the increased burden being placed upon Colorado employees.  Colorado levied an additional 2.5% (of the Colorado government portion)  PERA contribution on state employees for fiscal year 2010-2011 and there is a bill pending in the legislature to extend this levy for fiscal year 2011-2012.  Governor Hickenlooper now proposes an additional 2.0% levy, for a total burden of 4.5%, in the 2011-2012 budget.  There has been no proposal, nor to my knowledge any discussion, of the state paying back the contributions forced upon the employees and there exists a reasonable expectation that some form of this increased burden may continue to bring relief to the state budget for the long term.
 
Why is it that when the state needs immediate relief a viable response instantaneously appears?  This type of response, with Colorado assuming their proper PERA contribution, would have provided immediate and long term stability to the health of PERA.
 
Obviously the State of Colorado continues avoid their responsibility in funding PERA and their accountability in the fiscal standing of PERA.  This manufactured impending crisis will continue until the state meets their obligations/promises to their mandated retirement program.
 
This may also be the time to ask questions about the movement to allow states to declare some form of bankruptcy in response to the debt crisis.  The state of Colorado, in accordance with its own Constitution, must have a balanced budget.  PERA, by their own statements, does not face liquidity issues until at least the next decade.  I am not in favor of ignoring the issues, I only request that we address the solution equally.  It seems that there current dilemma is largely funding issue not a spending issue.
 
In discussing PERA with others I am often informed that times and finances change and it is only reasonable that we (annuitants) accept the negative consequences of the current downturn.  I submit to you that this crisis will pass, PERA health will return and the private sector will again surpass Colorado employees in wages and benefits.  This issue is one of integrity.  The State and citizens of Colorado imposed a retirement system on its employees and benefited from the years of service provided by those same employees.  To turn your/our backs on those obligations is unconscionable.
 
If one were to impose the same response to other current or near current events we would have agreed to increase interest on existing mortgages when the housing industry was in peril.  We would return and pay full MSRP on GM and Chrysler vehicles as they really were not wise to let them go at less than cost.  We would bail out the banks for their unwise fiscal decision.. Oh wait, we did that didn’t we?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you SAVE PERA COLA for this answer.  </p>
<p>PERA and Colorado did not ask for our cooperation in this fiscal crisis they chose to violate a contract.  The meetings held throughout the state by PERA preceding SB 10-001 did not seriously address any remedy save the PERA favored 2-2-2 response.  2-2-2  has been shown to impose a disproportionate burden upon annuitant.  </p>
<p>Perhaps had the annuitants been contacted as a group and requested to forgo our annual increase, or accept a diminished annual increase, for a defined, finite, period of time the outcome(s) may have been different.  Annuitants are not ignorant of, nor insensitive to, the financial issues facing PERA, we simply do not desire to forever lose benefits we earned during our long service to the citizens of Colorado.  </p>
<p>There were no secrets meetings nor conspiracies present when our elected representatives publicly debated and the passed into law the annual increase.  The fact that the current economic situation makes the annual increase appear as largess is a temporary and short lived phenomena.  The predicted inflation that is a current topic of discussion will find the 3.5% annual increase wanting in meeting the annuitant’s needs.  I would also note that when our non-PERA friends and associates were experiencing annual growth far in excess of 3.5% there was no movement to share the prosperity with us.</p>
<p>As pointed out in other responses present in the site, the 2008 economic downturn was not a major event in the stability of PERA.  PERA was in long decline when that crisis occurred.  The decline of PERA was caused by mismanagement in providing early retirements, matching 401K contributions, fire sale rates for purchased service credit and the failure of Colorado to fully fund their contribution.  Colorado and the legislature  created their own exigencies and now want to violate Constitutional contract law to correct their mistakes.<br />
Our attorneys seem to be saying that we do not dispute that at some point the state may cancel or invalidate the annual increase as a fiscal necessity/emergency.  Our attorneys contend that this worst case, albeit unconstitutional, response/scenario cannot be the initial answer to this or any crisis.</p>
<p>One aspect of the scope of options available to PERA and Colorado has now been placed into public view in the form of the increased burden being placed upon Colorado employees.  Colorado levied an additional 2.5% (of the Colorado government portion)  PERA contribution on state employees for fiscal year 2010-2011 and there is a bill pending in the legislature to extend this levy for fiscal year 2011-2012.  Governor Hickenlooper now proposes an additional 2.0% levy, for a total burden of 4.5%, in the 2011-2012 budget.  There has been no proposal, nor to my knowledge any discussion, of the state paying back the contributions forced upon the employees and there exists a reasonable expectation that some form of this increased burden may continue to bring relief to the state budget for the long term.</p>
<p>Why is it that when the state needs immediate relief a viable response instantaneously appears?  This type of response, with Colorado assuming their proper PERA contribution, would have provided immediate and long term stability to the health of PERA.</p>
<p>Obviously the State of Colorado continues avoid their responsibility in funding PERA and their accountability in the fiscal standing of PERA.  This manufactured impending crisis will continue until the state meets their obligations/promises to their mandated retirement program.</p>
<p>This may also be the time to ask questions about the movement to allow states to declare some form of bankruptcy in response to the debt crisis.  The state of Colorado, in accordance with its own Constitution, must have a balanced budget.  PERA, by their own statements, does not face liquidity issues until at least the next decade.  I am not in favor of ignoring the issues, I only request that we address the solution equally.  It seems that there current dilemma is largely funding issue not a spending issue.</p>
<p>In discussing PERA with others I am often informed that times and finances change and it is only reasonable that we (annuitants) accept the negative consequences of the current downturn.  I submit to you that this crisis will pass, PERA health will return and the private sector will again surpass Colorado employees in wages and benefits.  This issue is one of integrity.  The State and citizens of Colorado imposed a retirement system on its employees and benefited from the years of service provided by those same employees.  To turn your/our backs on those obligations is unconscionable.</p>
<p>If one were to impose the same response to other current or near current events we would have agreed to increase interest on existing mortgages when the housing industry was in peril.  We would return and pay full MSRP on GM and Chrysler vehicles as they really were not wise to let them go at less than cost.  We would bail out the banks for their unwise fiscal decision.. Oh wait, we did that didn’t we?</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Thorpe</title>
		<link>http://saveperacola.com/2010/03/09/contribute-now-to-support-the-lawsuit/#comment-608</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Feb 2011 14:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Greg:
Using your line of reasoning, why don&#039;t we all just adjust our mortgages down by a few points to save money.....maybe you could take your mortgage contract, or personal loans, or utilities and various other legally binding contracts and simply modify to help your financial picture.You would expect the holders of those contracts just to &quot;contribute&quot; by allowing you out of your contractual obligations ? Well, good luck with that ! The lawsuit is far from disgusting, it is a critical test of the rule of law, and the validity of contractual law which may have generational impact. 
Colorado PERA must honor fully vested benefits, modify for the future as needed, but must NEVER be allowed to rescind earned compensation.    Barry Thorpe]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg:<br />
Using your line of reasoning, why don&#8217;t we all just adjust our mortgages down by a few points to save money&#8230;..maybe you could take your mortgage contract, or personal loans, or utilities and various other legally binding contracts and simply modify to help your financial picture.You would expect the holders of those contracts just to &#8220;contribute&#8221; by allowing you out of your contractual obligations ? Well, good luck with that ! The lawsuit is far from disgusting, it is a critical test of the rule of law, and the validity of contractual law which may have generational impact.<br />
Colorado PERA must honor fully vested benefits, modify for the future as needed, but must NEVER be allowed to rescind earned compensation.    Barry Thorpe</p>
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		<title>By: saveperacola</title>
		<link>http://saveperacola.com/2010/03/09/contribute-now-to-support-the-lawsuit/#comment-607</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Feb 2011 01:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is foremost a constitutional issue, such that if the law is sustained in court, then the state will come back over and over again to cut their employer contributions to PERA. Secondly, it is a financial issue in that each year retirees&#039; purchasing power is reduced more and more. That&#039;s a 2% maxiumum per year increase, not 3 % as you are thinking. If PERA ever has negative investment earnings in a given year, it triggers the next three years to be the lower of CPI-W or 2%. Currenly employed PERA members have the choice of leaving public employment for the private sector. Retirees do not have the option of resuming their careers and making up for the difference. There were sound alternatives to Senate Bill 1 which PERA and the Legislature artfully ignored. Most importantly though, are we to ignore the constitution? Not wise.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is foremost a constitutional issue, such that if the law is sustained in court, then the state will come back over and over again to cut their employer contributions to PERA. Secondly, it is a financial issue in that each year retirees&#8217; purchasing power is reduced more and more. That&#8217;s a 2% maxiumum per year increase, not 3 % as you are thinking. If PERA ever has negative investment earnings in a given year, it triggers the next three years to be the lower of CPI-W or 2%. Currenly employed PERA members have the choice of leaving public employment for the private sector. Retirees do not have the option of resuming their careers and making up for the difference. There were sound alternatives to Senate Bill 1 which PERA and the Legislature artfully ignored. Most importantly though, are we to ignore the constitution? Not wise.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://saveperacola.com/2010/03/09/contribute-now-to-support-the-lawsuit/#comment-606</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Feb 2011 19:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why should current State employees continue to be laid off and continue to take salary decreases (2.5% FY11 &amp; 4.5% FY12) in order to fund their portion of PERA, but retirees can&#039;t share some of the burden? I wish none of us had to be affected by our national economic crisis, but to think that Retiree&#039;s can&#039;t contribute to the situation makes me feel that you all are just selfish. I thought the Bill passed last year that changed the way COLA works, is really fair, its based on inflation. To think that current employees haven&#039;t had a COL increase in 3 or 4 years, and are taking a pay cut for last 2 years, and you all get 3% no matter what...this lawsuit is distugsting!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why should current State employees continue to be laid off and continue to take salary decreases (2.5% FY11 &amp; 4.5% FY12) in order to fund their portion of PERA, but retirees can&#8217;t share some of the burden? I wish none of us had to be affected by our national economic crisis, but to think that Retiree&#8217;s can&#8217;t contribute to the situation makes me feel that you all are just selfish. I thought the Bill passed last year that changed the way COLA works, is really fair, its based on inflation. To think that current employees haven&#8217;t had a COL increase in 3 or 4 years, and are taking a pay cut for last 2 years, and you all get 3% no matter what&#8230;this lawsuit is distugsting!</p>
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		<title>By: saveperacola</title>
		<link>http://saveperacola.com/2010/03/09/contribute-now-to-support-the-lawsuit/#comment-438</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Nov 2010 20:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for this report. By pushing the issue of not using the term &quot;COLA,&quot; you may have turned PERA toward using the proper term &quot;annual benefit increases,&quot; (ABI) which we always use now except for the name of our group, website and email, which are not possible to change at this point. The &#039;no answers&#039; to serious questions provides in itself some insight into PERA thinking.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this report. By pushing the issue of not using the term &#8220;COLA,&#8221; you may have turned PERA toward using the proper term &#8220;annual benefit increases,&#8221; (ABI) which we always use now except for the name of our group, website and email, which are not possible to change at this point. The &#8216;no answers&#8217; to serious questions provides in itself some insight into PERA thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Thorpe</title>
		<link>http://saveperacola.com/2010/03/09/contribute-now-to-support-the-lawsuit/#comment-437</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Thorpe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Nov 2010 13:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Recently attended a &quot;shareholders&quot; meeting.......Meredith and company sure bristled when I asked why they are now calling the Annual Increase a &quot;COLA&quot;  . Seems back at some earlier time it was a COLA but then changed when no longer tied to any economic index. The answer was, obviously unsatisfactory. I notice that he called it an annual increase in the latest newsletter. On another note, we asked if they thought it would have been prudent to tell retirees BEFORE they retired that parts of their agreement were subject to unilateral change....no answer, Also no answer to the question, &quot;What in the world does &#039;vested&#039; mean?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recently attended a &#8220;shareholders&#8221; meeting&#8230;&#8230;.Meredith and company sure bristled when I asked why they are now calling the Annual Increase a &#8220;COLA&#8221;  . Seems back at some earlier time it was a COLA but then changed when no longer tied to any economic index. The answer was, obviously unsatisfactory. I notice that he called it an annual increase in the latest newsletter. On another note, we asked if they thought it would have been prudent to tell retirees BEFORE they retired that parts of their agreement were subject to unilateral change&#8230;.no answer, Also no answer to the question, &#8220;What in the world does &#8216;vested&#8217; mean?</p>
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		<title>By: Myron C. Baker</title>
		<link>http://saveperacola.com/2010/03/09/contribute-now-to-support-the-lawsuit/#comment-432</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Myron C. Baker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Nov 2010 01:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I too would have put off retirement from Colorado State University had I known PERA was able, so easily, to go back on what I read in the PERA handbook at the time I was considering retiring. PERA seems to be acting more like a large corporation intent on screwing the working class, than like an outfit that is supposed to help Colorado state retirees in their waning years. It&#039;s all pretty depressing. I hope something comes of the lawsuit. I can&#039;t send much, but I will send something to help with costs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too would have put off retirement from Colorado State University had I known PERA was able, so easily, to go back on what I read in the PERA handbook at the time I was considering retiring. PERA seems to be acting more like a large corporation intent on screwing the working class, than like an outfit that is supposed to help Colorado state retirees in their waning years. It&#8217;s all pretty depressing. I hope something comes of the lawsuit. I can&#8217;t send much, but I will send something to help with costs.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Thorpe</title>
		<link>http://saveperacola.com/2010/03/09/contribute-now-to-support-the-lawsuit/#comment-334</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Thorpe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why don&#039;t you take a look at what you paid in and imagine it having been invested over those same years. Now calculate the amount the school district paid in (which could have been part of your salary) and compound that interest over a career of wise investment. I apologize to no-one that my lifetime income will exceed the input from my salary. It&#039;s called capitalism.
I lived on just over 1/2 of the income a similarly educated individual made in comparable work in the private sector. I endured ridiculous swings of pressure ranging from &quot;a nation at risk&quot; to &quot;CSAP&quot; through &quot;no child left behind&quot;, rolled with the punches of a thousand helicopter parents, and kept right on delivering quality education through 7 superintendents and 9 different principals, each one a more glaring example of the Peter principle. I have it coming to me, both by righteously deserving it, and more importantly because it is a legal, binding, contract. It is my property in every sense of the word.
Of course you will have that pension 20 years from now, and 30 years if you live that long........it&#039;s the deal THEY engineered, and contracted for. I hope the attitude that we should surrender a little to &quot;save&quot; our pensions doesn&#039;t spread. A contract IS a contract. You must stand back and see, it&#039;s not&quot; cutting off your nose to spite your face&quot;......It&#039;s stopping a small theft to preclude an implicit permission to steal the rest .Don&#039;t  be fooled into thinking this will be the last assault on your pension if they win.
The test of whether they intend to cheat you has already been answered, its SB-1  !!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why don&#8217;t you take a look at what you paid in and imagine it having been invested over those same years. Now calculate the amount the school district paid in (which could have been part of your salary) and compound that interest over a career of wise investment. I apologize to no-one that my lifetime income will exceed the input from my salary. It&#8217;s called capitalism.<br />
I lived on just over 1/2 of the income a similarly educated individual made in comparable work in the private sector. I endured ridiculous swings of pressure ranging from &#8220;a nation at risk&#8221; to &#8220;CSAP&#8221; through &#8220;no child left behind&#8221;, rolled with the punches of a thousand helicopter parents, and kept right on delivering quality education through 7 superintendents and 9 different principals, each one a more glaring example of the Peter principle. I have it coming to me, both by righteously deserving it, and more importantly because it is a legal, binding, contract. It is my property in every sense of the word.<br />
Of course you will have that pension 20 years from now, and 30 years if you live that long&#8230;&#8230;..it&#8217;s the deal THEY engineered, and contracted for. I hope the attitude that we should surrender a little to &#8220;save&#8221; our pensions doesn&#8217;t spread. A contract IS a contract. You must stand back and see, it&#8217;s not&#8221; cutting off your nose to spite your face&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;It&#8217;s stopping a small theft to preclude an implicit permission to steal the rest .Don&#8217;t  be fooled into thinking this will be the last assault on your pension if they win.<br />
The test of whether they intend to cheat you has already been answered, its SB-1  !!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Thorpe</title>
		<link>http://saveperacola.com/2010/03/09/contribute-now-to-support-the-lawsuit/#comment-332</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Thorpe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 15:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Most other pension plans, for example in the private sector, go out to employees who had opportunities to earn substantially more than school districts EVER paid. 
We were involuntary contributors to this system, with NO say in the investment program, and no chance to OPT-OUT. We never enjoyed a big bonus during the good economic times. In my district the schedule was frozen for 12 of my 27 years. We lived paycheck to paycheck with hum of a distant mantra in our ears.....deferred compensation. I remember colleagues who would say.....&quot;I guess we can&#039;t complain about the salary freeze....at least we have a great pension plan.....&quot;     No, we didn&#039;t have a great pension plan if the rules are to be changed AFTER vestment. Take the contract breach and the pitiful PERAcare health insurance and our &quot;Pension&quot;  system is not a reward, but a punishment for educating the children of Colorado.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most other pension plans, for example in the private sector, go out to employees who had opportunities to earn substantially more than school districts EVER paid.<br />
We were involuntary contributors to this system, with NO say in the investment program, and no chance to OPT-OUT. We never enjoyed a big bonus during the good economic times. In my district the schedule was frozen for 12 of my 27 years. We lived paycheck to paycheck with hum of a distant mantra in our ears&#8230;..deferred compensation. I remember colleagues who would say&#8230;..&#8221;I guess we can&#8217;t complain about the salary freeze&#8230;.at least we have a great pension plan&#8230;..&#8221;     No, we didn&#8217;t have a great pension plan if the rules are to be changed AFTER vestment. Take the contract breach and the pitiful PERAcare health insurance and our &#8220;Pension&#8221;  system is not a reward, but a punishment for educating the children of Colorado.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Thorpe</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Thorpe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 13:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And let&#039;s not forget the inducement to spend our 401K money to buy service credit at rates far exceeding what those years actual cost would have been if we had paid for them at the time. I&#039;ve seen no accounting for the millions of dollars that PERA lured out of 401Ks to buy credit from experience in other states. I taught 4 years before coming here in 1979, I paid a fortune for those years in 1999 directly to PERA....CHA CHING !
Yep, it was MY choice, but it was based in repayment of the cost by &quot;accepting&quot; a contract for an annual 3.5% increase........a contract susequently breached. 
If this is allowed to stand I want to know: what contract, anywhere, anytime is to be trusted ?
Am I obligated to pay state income tax ? My mortgage, Auto loan? etc... More foreboding, why should they continue to pay the 75% of HAS at all ?? 
If our society is to be a civilized nation of laws, contracts must be binding.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And let&#8217;s not forget the inducement to spend our 401K money to buy service credit at rates far exceeding what those years actual cost would have been if we had paid for them at the time. I&#8217;ve seen no accounting for the millions of dollars that PERA lured out of 401Ks to buy credit from experience in other states. I taught 4 years before coming here in 1979, I paid a fortune for those years in 1999 directly to PERA&#8230;.CHA CHING !<br />
Yep, it was MY choice, but it was based in repayment of the cost by &#8220;accepting&#8221; a contract for an annual 3.5% increase&#8230;&#8230;..a contract susequently breached.<br />
If this is allowed to stand I want to know: what contract, anywhere, anytime is to be trusted ?<br />
Am I obligated to pay state income tax ? My mortgage, Auto loan? etc&#8230; More foreboding, why should they continue to pay the 75% of HAS at all ??<br />
If our society is to be a civilized nation of laws, contracts must be binding.</p>
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